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posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.05.05 (10:25 pm) Dear Readers, Let's ope our mind and think and keep this discussion open. I see the sentiments are widely divided. 1. Some say, the results were rigged, judges made mistakes. Some thinks more talented people should get a chance. 2. Other half is of the opinion at the end of the day only better singers r left for the rest of the show. I am not getting the following questiones cleared. 1. I am wondering what could be Sonu Nigams allibi except expressing that Ravinder has been a bad choice - being his honest opinion. He is a singer himself, what does he gain out of this ? Sonu has done some marvelous task of bringing the frontline singers like 'Shreya Ghoshal' from TVS Sa Re Ga Ma. Whay would he oppose Ravinder ? Expression of honest opinion cannot be a mistake! 2. What is the fault of Aditi Paul - who is by far a much better singer. I guess she is not a painter... Thanks- xyz posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.05.05 (10:30 pm) And also: Some american idols are black ... is a rubish reason. American music is dominated by blacks .... they have always been by far the best..... musiclover posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.05.05 (10:34 pm) Reply to: newbie So the point is made, the ommision of Ravi is in the best interest of the music. However I think his voice will definitely suit some typical [ayback music. Hope the nation remembers him and he gets some chances in the industry .......... posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.05.05 (10:37 pm) I loved the journey that Ravinder took over the Indian Idol stage. But at the end of the day the public has made the right choice. He's probably little deficient to get into the top-league. posted by: alwaysright (reply) post date: 02.06.05 (7:57 pm) I guess Ravinder Ravi did get a fair dela in terms of success thanks to the program....what was wrong though was the fact tht he was criticised over and over again..for no fault of his..coz even if he does not sing well, its the people who vote for him, and not he who votes for himself. Also, if you do note that Ravnider was being isolated by the other contestants,probabl;y as they felt that they were getting thrown out coz of him. Aditi and Rahul Saxena were both good, but then they had to go. And frankly speaking, Ravinder has done enough to ensure that the Punjabi and Folk Music guys do take note of him, and help him lead a better career. With due respect to his singing, i think that the four remaining in this program, do have three of the best singers, i.e. Amit Sana (amazing true original voice), Abhijeet (vibrant and getting better every week) and Rahul(good choice of songs and range too). Lets wish all these 3 the best of luck, and let the best mannn win. posted by: Jaya (reply) post date: 02.06.05 (9:30 pm) Definitely it was not fair to send out Ravinder this time since he sang better than prajakta and a more difficult song. Anu's comment that Indian Idol will be a girl shows the heavy bias in favor of prajakta which the judges have. It was devastating that Aditi had to go cos she was the better singer among the girls ( unfortunately not as Glamourous in her looks as Prajakta). posted by: Devyani (reply) post date: 02.06.05 (9:52 pm) I am glad that Ravinder Ravi is out. I am not a trained singer at all, but I think even a semi-deag person would realize that Ravinder was TOTALLY going out of sur, taal, EVERYTHING. Voting for him, was purely on a an emotionl level, trying to prove to the world that an untrained printer can be an Indian Idol. Agreed, that in one round, I was amazed at the way he sang "Chura Liya hai Tumne". My votes totally go to : in this order: Rahul Vaidya, Abhijeet Sawant (a tough tie between the 2), then Amit Sana and Prajakata (she has faltered in the last round of ole songs!!). Hey well, just my two bits, to this site ! posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.06.05 (10:25 pm) So Ravinder Ravi is finally out. Agreed he is not the best singer, but the public has voted him,. As this is the format of the show, i had hoped the judges and the hosts would show some maturity and respect the opinion, instead of humiliating him episode after episode. I am sure any other contestent would have gone into depression after hearing those comments , so i think Ravinder was courageous enough to go through the gala round ?? By the who brought him to mumbai?? it was this panel of judges. if the feel he doesnt have knowledge of sur and taal, they should have rejected him in the first round itself I think the judges remarks are extremely biased. i like amit sana and abhijeet. rahul seems to be over confident posted by: prince_charming (reply) post date: 02.06.05 (11:07 pm) Well, i am new to this forum and to be brutally honest, Indian Idol had the makings of a great show, had it not been rigged from day one. YES!!! The show has been rigged from day one. There is ample proof for this. Let me list the credible proofs: 1. I belong to the media industry and as any other mediaman, we all have inside information. my closest friend is part of the Indian Idol show as he is one of the technicians working in the background. Although he has been sworn to secrecy and he has signed a contract, he did confide in me that the show was rigged from day one. 2. Also, the shooting for the episodes is done all in advance and what we see is not the LIVE! version but something which has been recorded a few days ago. Which means that the one who has to go out is selected by Sony itself and the contestants are also aware of all this and they have been paid generously and have been offered a lot of publicity and fame to keep their mouths shut. When you get royal treatment like the ones which the contestants are getting, then why would you divulge the secrets?Right? 3. The votes that we send are all fake and its all a money making process for Sony and Orange. My friend tells me that Sony does not get any messages and the 3 rupees that Orange charges is shared between Sony and Orange. 4. Most Important Proof: Remember the singer Madhushree who performed for the tsunami relief on the Indian Idol show with the other singers? Yes, the same madhushree. Well, my fiance works for her personally and shares an excellent rapport with her. Madhushree told my fiancee that the show was rigged and that Sonu Nigam himself had given her the info. as to how it was done. However, to Madhushree's credit, she did not divulge the name of the contestant who would become the Indian Idol to my fiancee, since she has signed an agreement with Sony which prohibits her from doing so!!! Any comments???? posted by: amit agarwal (reply) post date: 02.06.05 (11:34 pm) Reading all your comments one thing is loud and clear that Ravinder was or is every bodys favourite and have won all our hearts. I think he is immensely talented, he has terrific sound quality which as of now is untamed but once trained properly he would leave everybody behind. Judges and hosts were far too harsh on him. How can he be held responsible for other participants going out? Anyways there is gogin to be only one india idol rest of the people will have to leave so why blame Ravinder for it ? I was shocked to hear Aman verma (the idiot who himself copies Amitabh bacchan style of hosting..remember KBC), when he asked Ravinder what does his mates think of his singing ?? What and obnoxious comment from an anchor?? He is supposed to be fair to and all. The kind of treatment ravinder has been given is too bad and it just shows how biased the judges/anchors are for the fav. contestants. I am pretty sure he ws not out because he didnt get enough votes but was kicked out by the interference of the judges. There is no question of him getting less votes when we all love hiim so much. As for Rahul vaidya this guy is a complete FAKE and is always trying to flatter the judges..I think Abhijeet and Amit Sana are too good and I would pray to GOD and Indian Public to choose one of them as an Indian idol. They are great singers and very humble and down to earth. Getting them and not Rahul vaidya to become an Indian Idol would be a fitting tribute to Ravinders unfair exit from the competition. Amit Agarwal Noida posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.06.05 (11:48 pm) I agree with Amit totally. Sana or Abhijit should be the Indian Idol. Rahul is very arrogant and has got only 1 style of singing andd seems like a sonu nigam carbon copy. Sana's voice is amazing and Abhijit is improving by the minute. I wish them both the very best. posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.07.05 (2:38 am) I think Ravinder was a fabulous singer for some songs, he absolutely sung better in Punjabi touch songs. Three judges were to rude towards him, that is not tolrable, if you have given the judgement in the public hands so why these fool judges were insulting the public, they shuld not be there for next shows. posted by: Yogesh Shimla (reply) post date: 02.07.05 (2:49 am) Ravinder Ravi a name of painter who can sing well and he was in top ten selected by the telanted, rude, stupid judges. They all seems very haughty. But now i don't want to ctitisize them, i would like to appreciate the spirit and confidence of the poor painter, who sang well till his last show, and in the condition when judges were dominating him in every episode. Judges were sarcasting over public but they should remember that its only a public which have given them publicity. So Anu, Frha and sonu don't be so rude over ........ posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.07.05 (3:37 am) The Judges DID NOT bring Ravinder into Top 10. It was public.He made it to TOP 30 thanks to them but after that it was public. In any case, I think, one must not forget the way judges at American Idol treat the participants. They are more brash than Farah and Co. I personally fail to understand, why we forget that Ravinder was a mediocre singer.His forte is punjabi singing and he is good at it. A singer must have versatality and ofcourse he should have personality because people are going to SEE him perform. Looks do matter. Imagine Ravinder's posetsr adorning the streets.How many people will take a second look at it. IDOL means someone you look upto-- someone who encompasses everything. And even if you don't care about looks, what about personality? The man does not even have that! And do not forget, his voice does not have versatality. By the Way, those who know little about American Blacks...they are the ones who introduced whites to pop, ragge, hip hiop and stuff! So blacks have it in their genes. Comparing eRavinder with them is too ambitious a thought! LGS. posted by: Bunty (reply) post date: 02.07.05 (9:15 pm) Most people seem to be biased towards Ravindar. The show from day one has had its focus clear..one who...sings well..is a performer..and has showmanship qualities...and looks...dont make much a difference..but audiences do like ppl who look good. Ravindar Ravi, lets face it..doesnt hv knowledge of music..he's like any one of us..bathroom singers..and thats the reason..why we sympathize with him. But ppl dont forget, it were the judges who got him here..I think judges are good..theyhad clear focus of what they wanted. If you have even a lilttle knowledge of music..u know..Ravi has sung very badly. So, hope that the best one wins..these guys are very talented. posted by: Krishna Kadam (reply) post date: 02.07.05 (10:17 pm) I am a doctor, busy working for 24 hours sometimes. I used to take off from my work and see Indian idol. Not because I like the show but for the sake of only one man who was favorite amongst many of my colleagues. Since last 5 weeks Judges were passing unwanted remarks about him. And I would say Ravinder was enough gentleman to handle it. One thing you all must have noted that during show Ravinder would sit alone and aloof while other contestants would hold each other hands and support each other. What did that point out?? Just because he belongs to a poor background they wanted him to separate out?? As far as the last show was concerned he was far better than Prajakta..I liked his simplicity and humbleness. I’ll miss him...wherever he will go, he will have good wishes of lakhs of people like me. Now I am least bother about who will be the Indian Idol. The show is over for many people like me. posted by: RP (reply) post date: 02.07.05 (10:28 pm) There are various thoughts floating, but these are the ones I'd like to put here primarily: 1. The treatment meted out to Ravinder Ravi by the judges, comperes and (towards the end) even the co-participants was disgraceful. He wasn't there in the last 10 or 8 or 5 because he wanted to be there. He was there because a gazillion people out there were voting for him. Which means that they liked him. So I don't see any reason for the attitude these guys were flushing around. 2. I didn't have any respect for anu malik (alleged molester (I didn't say that, the press did) and song/music plagiarist [well known fact :)]), mini mathur (no talent/poor dress sense) and aman whatsisname (pompous loudmouth, non-actor); but farah khan and even sonu nigam disappointed with their condescending attitude. Why was it necessary to be rude? And rude only to Ravi? 3. Why do I get the feeling that this show is rigged, and heading toward a predetermined conclusion? Big studio bosses say "Lets get a pretty boy/girl who can sing and lets make him/her win". I see subsequent exits in this order: Sana (great voice, but a face only mom could love?) and Sawant (Plain, staid Jack?). Then its a toss up between pretty boy Vaidya and pretty girl Shukre. If you have a feel for music, this may not be the end result you are seeking. Let me be honest here - I am an unabashed Ravinder Ravi fan, and perhaps he didn't deserve to win, I was pissed with the way the program, the judges and the comperes treated him. Every time they insulted him, I voted (no i didn't do it for the "diamond jewelry"). I strongly believe Ravi has good music sense (when he sang in punjabi, he was good). And I hope that the Indian Idol is the beginning of the road for him, not the end. Meanwhile, I am no longer interested in knowing the predetermined result of India Idol. PS: I purposely insulted the "judges" (hate to call them that), comperes and a few participants earlier in this mail - I hope they read it so they can get a feel of what it feels like to be humiliated in public. posted by: jazz (reply) post date: 02.07.05 (11:57 pm) I am happy that Ravinder is out at last. It is because of him that Rahul was out who was much more talented than him. Also, we should keep in mind what are we exactly looking for, someone who is good at singing, presentable or both the qualities. I guess Ravinder was lacking both these qualities and it was sheer luck and sympathy that he came in the top 5 posted by: Ravinder Fan (reply) post date: 02.08.05 (7:46 am) I think we cannot deny by the points put forward by the fans of ravinder. I am a die hard fan of Ravinder. Best of luck and I am sure he will do it. posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.08.05 (8:13 am) i think the judges should not demoralise any singer by making unnecessary remarks ,rather they should tell them to improve in the next round.I would only ask one question from Farah and Anu is can they sing on the stage and i bet that they wont get more than 10 votes.Do u remember Anu sang BAHAR BARISH HO RAHI HAI,where is the sur and taal in that song.One should not be biased. posted by: niks (reply) post date: 02.08.05 (7:32 pm) Ravinder Ravi has been given an offer by Sony to record his own album. Some people have agreed to give him music training and are ready to release a new album very soon! posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.08.05 (9:48 pm) why dont you guy start calling this blog 'Ravi diehard fans club"instead of this grand title?!! Come whatever may he should have won shouldnot he?!!More then judges you people are showing obnoxious attitude while exulting someone as bad ad ravi..just because he is poor!! by your criteria this show should have been 'poverty exultation programme'.Ask any simple music trained person and they would tell you how badly tuneless,rangeless and bad singer he was.but no he should have won because judges were pointing out his shortcomong!!Because of your kind of people some as versatile and talented singers as Ronkini(any of you rember her sheer music prowess?!!),or Aditi paul(far far far better then your ravi..)One more thing ..those commenting like'pretty boy and pretty girl"are forgetting one thing..Show was very clear from the outset."presetable personality does count".But no for you people Ravi must go on(and not Show!!!). posted by: TMS (reply) post date: 02.08.05 (11:40 pm) I feel this program is for good lookers not for good voices.... for different purpose. (I am pointing towards Anu malik). It was rediculous in the show the three judges were prasing each other. Ravinder is really a good singer for two reasons he has not got any training and he is singing in tremendous pressure without favour of anybody on stage. I did not like responses by Anu (is he a Music director?) and Farah Khan on Ravinder as well little bit on Amit Sana. posted by: Shital Jain (reply) post date: 02.09.05 (10:21 pm) Every body is fan of Ravider Ravi..even doctors..then how can me be an exception? May God bless Ravinder.. posted by: Rohit chandran (reply) post date: 02.09.05 (10:25 pm) Who the hell are these people taking about Ravider's voice? He has not received any training..even though he tried his best.Perhaps he did not deserve to be Indian Idol..but she shouldnt be humiliated.All the best to him. posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.09.05 (10:44 pm) hi all... well indian idol seems pre determined in making rahul vaidya the first indian idol. they never disclose the results and always favor him. i think people's voting is influenced by the judges' remarks. the one who deserves to win is abhijeet. posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.10.05 (12:15 am) the judges stated that indian idol would be a show piece for international community. we have not even heard the name of the american idol. so much for international status. in other countries, undoubtedly only indians or those interested in indian languages would only see the show. why so much importance for looks and personality? did the judges have the personality they now advocate when they commenced their career? even the anchors had virtually bad words for ravinder ravi. one person one vote would have shown the truth behind the real winner. hindi may be spoken by more people, but it is not the sle language that represents india. the organisers could have selected eminent personalities like asha bhonsle, usha uthup, udit narayan et. al. who are very mature, to function as judges. this would have lent more credence to the show. posted by: gargi, new mumbai (reply) post date: 02.10.05 (12:28 am) thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!ravinder has gone. he was the greatest hinderence in other contestants success. it was because of him theat we lost wonderful contestants like rahul saxena, visha kothari and aditi paul. he was always worst amongst all the contestants. among tha last 4 left, ABHIJEET IS THE BEST. according to me the ranking goes as follows:- 1. ABHIJJET SAWANT 2. RAHUL VAIDYA 3. AMIT SANA 4. PRAJKTA SHUKRE the judges r really doindg a wonderful job. especially sonuji. abhijeet and amit have a different and original voice. they have got something new in them. prajakta shukre is next alka yagnik in the making. and rahul has a very coomon voice. any guy who sings well has a voice like him. as only last 4 r left , according to me there should be change in format of the programme. the cpmpetititon should be made more challanging. contestants should be given very very less time for preparation. they should be made to sing on the spot. i posted by: sania (reply) post date: 02.10.05 (2:18 am) I think people become to emotional or they don't have any knowledge whatsoever of music otherwise they would have never voted in favour of ravinder.And for ur kind information ravinder came in first ten by voter's choice and not by the judge's choice.I do agree he was the most undeserving candidate in the first 11.sad that so many had to go out do to public crappy sentiments. posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 02.10.05 (5:19 am) i HAVE to Agree with "The Karvs". Ravinder Ravi is no deserveing candidate for Indian Idol. One should appreciate the hard work he has put in. But, it is sad that 5 other amazing singers have lost a shot at the big prize because of the people who voted for him. It shows that all he got was sympathy votes. And just to put in my views had there been judges like Alka yagnik, Ravinder Ravi would not even have made it to the Final 30. He has a good voice, but one that is untrained. No one can be blamed for that. Its his fate. Its a good thing that he is out, now Music lovers like me can watch the show without fear of one of the better singers getting out because of "zilch-music-knowledge" people who vote for him just because he is a painter. posted by: music lover (reply) post date: 02.10.05 (9:04 am) i think all the people who have been hooting for Ravinder has absolutely no sense of music. Instead of blaming others for being biased, it seems to me that these people are the most biased towards his poor economic condition I think we all want to see people from the lower rungs of society do good but that shouldnt happen at the cost of quality.If any of u actually feel that he is a better singer than Rahul Saxena....u dont understand music posted by: A.N.Saifuddin Faisal (reply) post date: 02.10.05 (6:47 pm) Its A great Show!!!Specially Gala 8 on(10th february)was very nice.Where every person Sang to songs each.That night Abhijeet was extraordinary...he realy sang like a Experienced super singer. I think Sana And Rahul Was also best..though Sana Suffered From Vocal Problem.Prajakta was not so good ..judge also criticise her... My Rank is:1. Abhijeet 2. Sana 3. Rahul 4. Prajakta posted by: Deepti (reply) post date: 02.10.05 (10:21 pm) Ravinder Ravi is out at last!! he was not a derserving singer and i think he was getting his votes just because he was a poor painter. it was a big mistake on Sony's part to publicize so much about his financial status, otherwise he would have long gone from this show. i also agree that the judges have treated him very badly. they have absolutely no rights to critisize a person so harshly. posted by: Ranger (reply) post date: 02.13.05 (8:31 pm) I agree with all the comments made here about the judges of Indian Idol. They are too harsh. What training does Farah has in dancing but she is a succesfull dance director and thus a judge at Indian Idol. What does Anu Malik do, steal music from other music directors?? what does he know about music??? Same is with Sonu Nigam. I feel that none of the three judges qualify to become a judge. From the very beginning all three were singling out Ravinder Ravi, making him uncomfortable in front of them. Next round of Indian Idol, Sony should bring some other mature people with better knowledge as judges. posted by: Dhritman (reply) post date: 02.14.05 (4:24 am) Like Farah said about Abhijeet : "Lambi Race ka ghoda". It holds true in each and every sense. He picked up when it was time to.!! and when others kept fading away he made his performances more and more remarkable. "O majhi re" was simply hair-raising which came just after a simply superb - "Dil Chahta Hai" track. Must say Raju Singh did a great background work on it, which helped Abhijeet's performance become greater. His body language gives him a great screen-presence which, I guess is a very important factor in being a - "Indian Idol". Nutshell :- Abhijeet has all attributes to become "Any Idol". posted by: Venus (reply) post date: 02.19.05 (12:50 am) Ravinder was good but not really that great. I think the judges were quite fair to him and their comments have been consistent with all participants, whatever colour or background they have come from. In the arena of music, there is no place for sympathy factor. posted by: junes (reply) post date: 02.23.05 (1:32 am) My Favt's are Sana and abhijeet. Did not like Rahul Vaidya's attitude , found him a little too fake - though he sang well but his attitude was really aggressive and overconfident and fake. Anyhow btw sana and abhijeet - maythe best man win! Coz loveboth of them posted by: Kitty (reply) post date: 02.25.05 (12:56 am) Amit, amit, amit, amit, amit.............................. AMIT. Just Amit He is fantastic. posted by: Andrew (reply) post date: 01.19.06 (9:32 pm) But there is recognized credit-evaluation procedures broad categories unmeasured mortgage rate refinance va. Bean but cash-swapped to give. fine print stating allowed to accumulate print. Quickly relocated to they say. 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